David Fravor
David Fravor is a retired commander in the United States Navy. He served eighteen years as an F/A-18F Super Hornet pilot, commanded Strike Fighter Squadron VFA-41, the Black Aces, off the USS Nimitz, and on 14 November 2004 off the coast of San Diego intercepted the object the world now knows as the Tic Tac. The encounter, recorded by his wingman Chad Underwood on the FLIR1 gun-camera tape, sat unacknowledged in the institutional record until the 16 December 2017 New York Times article that introduced AATIP to the public. He testified under oath before the House Oversight Subcommittee on 26 July 2023 alongside David Grusch and Ryan Graves. His Nimitz testimony remains the most-corroborated US Navy pilot UAP encounter on the public record.
A Life
David Fravor was commissioned in the United States Navy after graduating from the US Naval Academy. He selected naval aviation, was assigned to the F/A-18 Hornet community, and served eighteen years on active duty. By 2004 he was the commanding officer of Strike Fighter Squadron VFA-41, the Black Aces, operating out of Naval Air Station Lemoore in California and embarked aboard the USS Nimitz, the lead ship of the Carrier Strike Group Eleven that was working up off the southern California coast in advance of a Persian Gulf deployment.
The squadron flew the F/A-18F Super Hornet, the two-seat variant of the same aircraft Ryan Graves would later fly off the East Coast a decade later. The 2004 Nimitz workup cycle was running combat-readiness training in the Warning Areas off San Diego. On 14 November 2004, Fravor was on a training sortie when the strike group's air controller, operating from the USS Princeton, vectored him to investigate an object that had been tracked by the Princeton's SPY-1 radar descending from 80,000 feet to sea level in seconds and holding station.
What followed at sea level off San Diego on 14 November 2004 is the single most-corroborated US Navy aviator UAP encounter on the public record. Fravor, his weapons systems officer Lieutenant Commander Jim Slaight, and a second F/A-18 crew of Lieutenant Commander Chad Underwood and his wingman observed a smooth white object approximately forty feet in length, no wings, no rotor, no visible propulsion, hovering above a churning patch of ocean. As Fravor descended to investigate, the object moved to mirror his approach. When he committed to a closing pass, the object accelerated and disappeared from visual contact, then reappeared on the Princeton's radar at his original combat air patrol point sixty miles away within seconds. Underwood, who had remained at altitude as cover, locked the object with his ATFLIR pod on the return engagement and recorded what became the FLIR1 gun-camera tape.
It was something I had never seen in my life. Its aerodynamic performance was something I'd never witnessed.David Fravor, House Oversight Subcommittee, 26 July 2023
The encounter was reported up the chain of command on return to the Nimitz. The FLIR1 tape was logged and entered the institutional record. Fravor and his crew were debriefed, and the operational record of the engagement was held in the Navy's intelligence channels for the following thirteen years. No public acknowledgement of the encounter, the FLIR1 tape, or the wider Nimitz incident was made by the Department of Defense until the 16 December 2017 New York Times article authored by Helene Cooper, Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kean that introduced the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program to the public. The article, the FLIR1 tape released alongside it, and Fravor's first on-the-record interview with the same paper, are the documentary opening of the post-2017 public disclosure cycle.
Fravor retired from the Navy in the years following the Nimitz workup cycle and entered a civilian aviation and operational consulting career. After the 2017 disclosure he has maintained an active speaking and interview presence on the encounter, including a 2019 long-form appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience that brought the Tic Tac account to a much wider general audience, and multiple subsequent congressional and media engagements.
On 26 July 2023 he provided sworn testimony before the House Oversight Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs alongside Ryan Graves and David Grusch. The Department of Defense's authentication of the FLIR1 tape in April 2020 and the subsequent inclusion of the Nimitz encounter as the lead case in the June 2021 Office of the Director of National Intelligence Preliminary Assessment have left his 2004 testimony as the most-corroborated first-hand pilot account in the institutional UAP record.
The Nimitz Encounter
The 14 November 2004 encounter took place during Carrier Strike Group Eleven's pre-deployment training cycle off the Mexico-California coast. The strike group's air defence picture was being managed by the USS Princeton, a Ticonderoga-class cruiser equipped with the AN/SPY-1B phased-array radar that was the most advanced ship-borne air search radar in the US fleet. The Princeton had been tracking what its air controllers called "anomalous aerial vehicles" intermittently for two weeks before Fravor's intercept. The objects appeared on the SPY-1 at altitudes above 80,000 feet, descended to sea level in less than a second, and held station for hours.
Fravor was the commanding officer of VFA-41 and had been launched on a routine training sortie when the Princeton's air controller, Petty Officer Kevin Day, vectored him to intercept one of the contacts. The intercept geometry placed Fravor at 20,000 feet looking down at a target at sea level. Visual acquisition occurred at a range of approximately one mile. The object was described by all four aircrew as a smooth white capsule, forty feet in length, no wings, no rotor, no visible markings, no exhaust signature, and no associated heat plume on the ATFLIR pod.
The object's reaction to Fravor's approach is the part of the testimony that has held the institutional attention. Below him, the object began climbing toward his aircraft. When Fravor committed to a closing pass, the object mirrored his angle. When he committed to a hard turn to engage, the object accelerated in a manner consistent with no known propulsion system and disappeared. Within seconds the Princeton's SPY-1 reported the object back at Fravor's combat air patrol point sixty miles away. The four-aircrew visual, two-aircraft radar, and SPY-1 cruiser-radar corroboration across the engagement is the technical record that anchors the case.
As I get closer, as my nose is starting to pull back up, the object jumps off and accelerates to the south and disappears in less than two seconds. This is from like 12,000 feet above the water.David Fravor, recounting the November 2004 Nimitz encounter
On UAP
Fravor's public position has held a consistent shape across his post-2017 testimony. He describes what he and his three fellow aircrew observed on 14 November 2004. He does not extend the testimony into claims about the object's origin, intent, or relationship to other reported encounters. The discipline tracks Ryan Graves' framing: testify to the observed, leave inference to others.
What he has said under oath: that the Tic Tac displayed flight performance no known aircraft can match, that the four aircrew engagement was corroborated by SPY-1 radar and ATFLIR sensor data held by the Navy, that the Department of Defense's institutional silence on the encounter from November 2004 through December 2017 represented an inter-agency reporting failure with national security implications, and that the absence of an aircrew reporting channel was producing systemic under-reporting in the operational force.
He has been consistent across the 2017 New York Times interview, the 2019 Joe Rogan appearance, the 2021 60 Minutes segment, the 2023 House Oversight testimony, and subsequent congressional and media appearances. The technical record has held through the Department of Defense's April 2020 authentication of the FLIR1 tape, the June 2021 ODNI Preliminary Assessment, and the AARO Historical Record Report Volume I of March 2024.
Career Record
The publicly available record of Fravor's service and public engagement:
- United States Naval Academy. Bachelor of Science.
- United States Navy. 18 years active service.
- F/A-18 community. F/A-18F Super Hornet pilot.
- Commanding officer, Strike Fighter Squadron VFA-41, the Black Aces, 2004 (rank: commander).
- 14 November 2004. Intercepted the Tic Tac off the USS Nimitz during the Carrier Strike Group Eleven workup cycle.
- 16 December 2017. First on-the-record interview, New York Times.
- 2019. Joe Rogan Experience long-form interview.
- May 2021. CBS News 60 Minutes segment, broadcast alongside Ryan Graves.
- 26 July 2023. Sworn testimony, House Oversight Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs.
- Subsequent. Continued congressional engagement and public-record speaking on the Nimitz case.
Notable Public Statements
I'm not a UFO guy. I'm not a believer. I just saw something that I cannot explain.David Fravor, on the Tic Tac encounter
The technology we encountered was far superior to anything we had. And there's no explanation for what we saw.David Fravor, House Oversight Subcommittee, 26 July 2023
Sources
This biography is built from publicly available material:
- House Oversight Subcommittee · Hearing of 26 July 2023, sworn statement
- Helene Cooper, Ralph Blumenthal, Leslie Kean · "Glowing Auras and 'Black Money': The Pentagon's Mysterious U.F.O. Program" · New York Times, 16 December 2017
- Department of Defense · April 2020 authentication of FLIR1, GIMBAL and GOFAST Navy gun-camera videos
- Office of the Director of National Intelligence · Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, June 2021
- CBS News 60 Minutes · Bill Whitaker · 16 May 2021
- USS Princeton radar contact logs and Carrier Strike Group Eleven debrief records (referenced in subsequent public testimony)
The archive takes no position on the substance of the encounter, only documents that it was placed in the public record under oath and corroborated by Department of Defense authentication of the FLIR1 sensor footage. The full Nimitz Tic Tac exhibition lives at /records/united-states/uss-nimitz/. If anything on this biography needs correcting, please get in touch.