Restoring Public Trust
Chairwoman Anna Paulina Luna convened the Task Force on Declassification for its second public hearing on UAP transparency. Five witnesses testified under oath. Three were military or intelligence personnel who described encounters at Vandenberg Air Force Base, Langley Air Force Base, and aboard USS Jackson. One was an investigative journalist with 38 years on the story. One was a policy expert on whistleblower protections. Their testimony covered nuclear-site incursions, ocean-emerging craft, crash retrieval programmes, and the systematic retaliation faced by those who report what they saw.
Full Hearing Video
The complete September 9, 2025 hearing, "Restoring Public Trust Through UAP Transparency and Whistleblower Protection." Serial No. 119-44.
Source: Wikimedia Commons (Public Domain, U.S. Government work)
The Witnesses
Three service members, one journalist, one policy expert. All testified under oath.
Testimony Highlights
What the witnesses told Congress, in their own words and under oath.
Boeing contractors reported a massive glowing red square silently hovering over two missile defence sites. Later that night, witnesses described a triangular craft larger than a football field that hovered for 45 seconds before shooting away at impossible speed.Jeffrey Nuccetelli, on the "Red Square" incident, Vandenberg AFB, October 14, 2003
Nuccetelli described five distinct incidents at Vandenberg between 2003 and 2005. The Red Square event was the most dramatic: Boeing security contractors observed a massive glowing red square, silent and motionless, positioned directly over missile defence installations on the night of October 14, 2003. Hours later, witnesses reported a triangular craft of extraordinary size hovering near the base before departing at speeds no known aircraft could match. Nuccetelli investigated these events in his capacity as military police. He filed official reports. Those reports now sit with AARO and the FBI.
A self-luminous tic-tac-shaped object emerged from the ocean, linked with three others already airborne, then all four vanished simultaneously.Alexandro Wiggins, on the USS Jackson encounter, February 15, 2023
Wiggins watched the event unfold from the operations centre aboard USS Jackson, off the coast of southern California. A single object rose from the water. It was self-luminous and shaped like a tic-tac. Three similar objects were already in the air. The four objects linked up, then disappeared at the same instant with coordinated acceleration that defied any conventional flight profile. Ship sensors recorded the encounter. Wiggins is the first active-duty Navy sailor to describe such an event in a congressional hearing.
Robert Bigelow made a bold attempt to acquire physical proof of UFO crashes through the AAWSAP programme.George Knapp, on crash retrieval efforts
Knapp connected the AAWSAP programme, the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Programme, directly to efforts to obtain crash material. Through his decades of investigation, Knapp has spoken to dozens of witnesses across the military, intelligence community, and private sector. His testimony placed Bigelow's work through BAASS (Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies) in the context of a longer history of crash retrieval attempts that the public record has only recently begun to acknowledge.
I was under this triangular craft for a few minutes, and then it rapidly ascended to commercial jet level in seconds, displaying zero kinetic disturbance, sound, or wind displacement.Dylan Borland, on the Langley AFB triangle, summer 2012
Borland's encounter at Langley happened at 0130, near the NASA hangar. The craft was an equilateral triangle, roughly 100 feet across. Its surface was unusual: not rigid metal but something that appeared fluid or dynamic. It made no sound. When it departed, it rose to commercial jet altitude in seconds without producing any aerodynamic disturbance. Borland's telephone stopped working in its proximity. This is a new location and a new incident, not previously in the public record before this hearing.
Since my IC IG complaint, I have been prevented from assuming prior employment and can confirm I am still blacklisted from certain agencies within the intelligence community.Dylan Borland, on retaliation after filing an ICIG complaint, August 2023
Borland filed his Inspector General complaint in August 2023. The consequences were immediate and sustained. He was locked out of positions he had previously held. Phishing attacks were directed at him, apparently to determine what information he had provided to the IG. His career, which had taken him from Air Force geospatial intelligence to senior analyst roles at BAE Systems and Intrepid Solutions, was deliberately obstructed. More than a decade of professional retaliation. His testimony made the cost of whistleblowing concrete and personal.
Current whistleblower protections leave significant gaps for intelligence community personnel and contractors who report UAP information. Legislative action is needed to close those gaps.Joe Spielberger, Project on Government Oversight, on whistleblower protection gaps
Spielberger's testimony provided the legal framework for everything the other witnesses described. The people who see these things have almost no protection when they report them. Intelligence community employees, military contractors, and personnel in special access programmes face career destruction if they come forward. Borland's experience demonstrated exactly the kind of retaliation the law should prevent but currently does not. POGO's recommendations targeted specific legislative mechanisms to shield future witnesses.
What Changed
What this hearing placed into the congressional record that was not there before.
- First active-duty Navy testimony: Senior Chief Petty Officer Wiggins became the first serving Navy sailor to publicly describe a recorded multi-sensor UAP encounter before Congress. The USS Jackson incident of February 15, 2023, with four objects displaying synchronised acceleration, is now in the congressional record.
- Langley AFB triangle: Borland's account of a 100-foot equilateral triangle at Langley Air Force Base in 2012 added a new location and a new incident to the public record. No previous congressional testimony had described this event.
- Vandenberg AFB nuclear-site incursions: Nuccetelli placed five separate incidents at a nuclear and missile defence installation into the record. The Red Square event and the football-field-sized triangle over Vandenberg had not been described in any prior hearing. Official records exist with AARO and the FBI.
- AAWSAP and crash retrieval: Knapp's testimony connected Bigelow's AAWSAP/BAASS programme directly to crash retrieval efforts, adding specificity to what had previously been reported only in general terms.
- Task Force on Declassification: This hearing marked the second session of a dedicated House task force created specifically to address government secrecy around UAP. The task force structure itself represents a shift in congressional approach.
- Eglin AFB investigation: Luna's opening statement referenced the Eglin Air Force Base incident, which she, Gaetz, and Burchett investigated directly, bringing a member's personal field investigation into the hearing context.
The full transcript of this hearing is Serial No. 119-44, "Restoring Public Trust Through UAP Transparency and Whistleblower Protection," Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, September 9, 2025. Available through govinfo.gov and oversight.house.gov.
Written statements were submitted by all five witnesses: Nuccetelli, Wiggins, Knapp, Borland, and Spielberger. These documents contain additional detail beyond the oral testimony and are preserved in the NHI Master Archive.
This hearing is part of an ongoing congressional effort that began with the first open UAP hearing in 2022. Related pages: