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CONGRESSIONAL RECORD | SERIAL NO. 119-44

Restoring Public Trust

TASK FORCE ON THE DECLASSIFICATION OF FEDERAL SECRETS | COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM | SEPTEMBER 9, 2025 | SERIAL NO. 119-44

Chairwoman Anna Paulina Luna convened the Task Force on Declassification for its second public hearing on UAP transparency. Five witnesses testified under oath. Three were military or intelligence personnel who described encounters at Vandenberg Air Force Base, Langley Air Force Base, and aboard USS Jackson. One was an investigative journalist with 38 years on the story. One was a policy expert on whistleblower protections. Their testimony covered nuclear-site incursions, ocean-emerging craft, crash retrieval programmes, and the systematic retaliation faced by those who report what they saw.

5 Witnesses
119-44 Serial Number
3 Military / Intel Witnesses
Full Transcript Available
Majority: Luna (Chair), Mace, Burchett, Boebert, Burlison, Crane, Gill  •  Minority: Crockett, Subramanyam

Full Hearing Video

The complete September 9, 2025 hearing, "Restoring Public Trust Through UAP Transparency and Whistleblower Protection." Serial No. 119-44.

Source: Wikimedia Commons (Public Domain, U.S. Government work)


The Witnesses

Three service members, one journalist, one policy expert. All testified under oath.

Jeffrey Nuccetelli
USAF Military Police Veteran, 16 Years Active Duty
Witnessed and investigated five separate UAP incidents at Vandenberg Air Force Base between 2003 and 2005. The most dramatic: the "Red Square" incident on October 14, 2003, when Boeing contractors reported a massive glowing red square hovering silently over two missile defence sites. That same night, witnesses observed a triangular craft larger than a football field. Nuccetelli also had a personal encounter in 2005 with a 30-foot diameter sphere of light. He filed reports through official channels. AARO and the FBI now hold those records.
Alexandro Wiggins
USN Senior Chief Petty Officer, Operations Specialist, USS Jackson (Active Duty)
On February 15, 2023, while serving aboard USS Jackson off southern California, Wiggins observed a self-luminous tic-tac-shaped object emerge from the ocean. It linked up with three similar objects already airborne. All four then disappeared simultaneously, displaying synchronised near-instantaneous acceleration. The encounter was recorded on ship systems across multiple sensors. Wiggins is the first active-duty Navy sailor to testify publicly about a recorded multi-sensor UAP encounter.
George Knapp
Chief Investigative Reporter, KLAS-TV Las Vegas, 38 Years on the UAP Story
Broke the Bob Lazar story in 1989 and has spent nearly four decades investigating UAP claims at every level. Testified about Robert Bigelow's efforts to acquire physical evidence of UAP crashes through the AAWSAP/BAASS programme, and described dozens of witnesses he has interviewed over his career. Knapp's testimony linked the AAWSAP programme directly to crash retrieval efforts.
Dylan Borland
USAF 1N1 Geospatial Intelligence Specialist (2010 to 2013), BAE Systems / Intrepid Solutions Senior Analyst, Federal Whistleblower
At Langley Air Force Base in summer 2012, Borland witnessed an approximately 100-foot equilateral triangle take off near the NASA hangar at 0130. The craft interfered with his telephone, made no sound, and its surface material appeared fluid or dynamic. Through a later SAP position, he was exposed to classified information from a UAP legacy crash retrieval programme. Filed an ICIG complaint in August 2023. Since then, Borland has been blacklisted from IC agencies, targeted with phishing attacks designed to assess what he told the Inspector General, and had his career deliberately obstructed for over a decade.
Joe Spielberger
Senior Policy Counsel, Project on Government Oversight (POGO), Minority Witness
Testified about systemic gaps in whistleblower protections for UAP witnesses. Current law leaves intelligence community personnel and contractors exposed to retaliation when they report UAP encounters or legacy programme information. Spielberger laid out the specific legislative changes needed to close those gaps and protect future witnesses.

Testimony Highlights

What the witnesses told Congress, in their own words and under oath.

Boeing contractors reported a massive glowing red square silently hovering over two missile defence sites. Later that night, witnesses described a triangular craft larger than a football field that hovered for 45 seconds before shooting away at impossible speed.
Jeffrey Nuccetelli, on the "Red Square" incident, Vandenberg AFB, October 14, 2003

Nuccetelli described five distinct incidents at Vandenberg between 2003 and 2005. The Red Square event was the most dramatic: Boeing security contractors observed a massive glowing red square, silent and motionless, positioned directly over missile defence installations on the night of October 14, 2003. Hours later, witnesses reported a triangular craft of extraordinary size hovering near the base before departing at speeds no known aircraft could match. Nuccetelli investigated these events in his capacity as military police. He filed official reports. Those reports now sit with AARO and the FBI.

A self-luminous tic-tac-shaped object emerged from the ocean, linked with three others already airborne, then all four vanished simultaneously.
Alexandro Wiggins, on the USS Jackson encounter, February 15, 2023

Wiggins watched the event unfold from the operations centre aboard USS Jackson, off the coast of southern California. A single object rose from the water. It was self-luminous and shaped like a tic-tac. Three similar objects were already in the air. The four objects linked up, then disappeared at the same instant with coordinated acceleration that defied any conventional flight profile. Ship sensors recorded the encounter. Wiggins is the first active-duty Navy sailor to describe such an event in a congressional hearing.

Robert Bigelow made a bold attempt to acquire physical proof of UFO crashes through the AAWSAP programme.
George Knapp, on crash retrieval efforts

Knapp connected the AAWSAP programme, the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Programme, directly to efforts to obtain crash material. Through his decades of investigation, Knapp has spoken to dozens of witnesses across the military, intelligence community, and private sector. His testimony placed Bigelow's work through BAASS (Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies) in the context of a longer history of crash retrieval attempts that the public record has only recently begun to acknowledge.

I was under this triangular craft for a few minutes, and then it rapidly ascended to commercial jet level in seconds, displaying zero kinetic disturbance, sound, or wind displacement.
Dylan Borland, on the Langley AFB triangle, summer 2012

Borland's encounter at Langley happened at 0130, near the NASA hangar. The craft was an equilateral triangle, roughly 100 feet across. Its surface was unusual: not rigid metal but something that appeared fluid or dynamic. It made no sound. When it departed, it rose to commercial jet altitude in seconds without producing any aerodynamic disturbance. Borland's telephone stopped working in its proximity. This is a new location and a new incident, not previously in the public record before this hearing.

Since my IC IG complaint, I have been prevented from assuming prior employment and can confirm I am still blacklisted from certain agencies within the intelligence community.
Dylan Borland, on retaliation after filing an ICIG complaint, August 2023

Borland filed his Inspector General complaint in August 2023. The consequences were immediate and sustained. He was locked out of positions he had previously held. Phishing attacks were directed at him, apparently to determine what information he had provided to the IG. His career, which had taken him from Air Force geospatial intelligence to senior analyst roles at BAE Systems and Intrepid Solutions, was deliberately obstructed. More than a decade of professional retaliation. His testimony made the cost of whistleblowing concrete and personal.

Current whistleblower protections leave significant gaps for intelligence community personnel and contractors who report UAP information. Legislative action is needed to close those gaps.
Joe Spielberger, Project on Government Oversight, on whistleblower protection gaps

Spielberger's testimony provided the legal framework for everything the other witnesses described. The people who see these things have almost no protection when they report them. Intelligence community employees, military contractors, and personnel in special access programmes face career destruction if they come forward. Borland's experience demonstrated exactly the kind of retaliation the law should prevent but currently does not. POGO's recommendations targeted specific legislative mechanisms to shield future witnesses.


What Changed

What this hearing placed into the congressional record that was not there before.


Official Transcript

The full transcript of this hearing is Serial No. 119-44, "Restoring Public Trust Through UAP Transparency and Whistleblower Protection," Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, September 9, 2025. Available through govinfo.gov and oversight.house.gov.

Written Testimony

Written statements were submitted by all five witnesses: Nuccetelli, Wiggins, Knapp, Borland, and Spielberger. These documents contain additional detail beyond the oral testimony and are preserved in the NHI Master Archive.

From the Archive

This hearing is part of an ongoing congressional effort that began with the first open UAP hearing in 2022. Related pages:


Congressional UAP Hearings

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